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You will receive a link to reset your password. The All-purpose lightweight individual carrying equipment manual for Alice packs has 6 sections and approx. 40 pages of everything you need to know about Alice Packs and equipment. The All-purpose lightweight individual carrying equipment manual for Alice packs has 6 sections and approx. 40 pages of everything you need to know about Alice Packs and equipment.Sign up today! Sign up today. Curbside pickup orders can be arranged by phone and picked up Monday-Friday between the hours of 1pm-4pm. Please stay safe and healthy. Covers medium ALICE pack, large ALICE pack, quick releases plus cleaning and maintenance.From US-Army field jackets to Marine Corps boots, Navy pea coats, and US Air Force glasses, our GI apparel is made in the USA and as stylish as it is functional. Our non-military departments feature backpacks, winter jackets, and outdoor and lifestyle supplies that will help in the city, in the woods, or on the campus. Be sure to check out our kids department too for children's military clothing and accessories. We’re confident that whether you’re looking for work-boots, school backpacks, winter clothes, or vintage World War II collectibles, our website will meet your needs. More About Us. All rights reserved. If you can not help us financially, then at least help us by telling a friend: Share us on your favorite social networking website Includes ALICE Packs, ALICE Web Gear, and Cleaning and Care. Thought this might be useful for those who run with ALICE Gear instead of MOLLE. It was woefully inadequate for service in Vietnam were the canvas would quite literally rot and designate in the hot humid weather of Vietnam. So in 1967, the M-1967 MLCE (Modernized Load Carrying Equipment) web gear was born. It was pretty much the same as the M-1956, but provided in nylon which didn't rot or retain water. The only problem was the fact that M-1967 was never fully issued and never replaced M-1956 gear.
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Many GIs in Vietnam mixed and matched both web gears to fit their needs. So they gave the task to the Natick Soldiers Center (the same people that designed MOLLE and choose ACU for the Army) and what they came up with was the All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Load Carrying Equipment or ALICE. The Army evaluated it and a couple of test sets were also sent to the Marines. In 1973, the US Army gave the okay to start production and the USMC followed shortly afterword. If you wish to keep the meat hooks, duck taping and proper adjustments are the only thing that will help to remedy the problem, but most grunts will cut the meat hooks off (either by cutting the metal loop of the meat hook or by cutting the stitching off and using a plastic slide to recreate the loop). They are officially known as TA-50 keepers, but most call them ALICE clips, even though they have been around since the M-1967 MLCE. They have the tendency to degrade, rust (if they are the steel versions), break, and get stuck closed. Chuck them. Simple, 550 cord (also known as Paracord, Parachute Cord, or Dummy Cord). It is available at pretty much any military store or surplus store, just make sure you get actual 550 cord and not some cheap Chinese garbage. The real stuff should have 7 twisted internal pair nylon threads, covered by an external nylon sheath. Zip Ties are cheap and easy to carry a few dozen in case they break. Tactical Tailor makes something called MALICE clips which are pretty much zip ties you can reuse, but you cannot get them as tight as regular zip ties. When you do use zip ties, make sure you dummy cord the pouch to the belt (via 550 cord) in case a zip tie should break, but if you keep your gear on a maintenance schedule, you shouldn't have a problem. You should spend as much time maintaining your gear as you should maintaining your equipment. Just remember to make it fit to your needs and that it is comfortable. Experiment and have fun.
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You will hear people complain about the Y suspenders cutting in the back and sides of their neck or how the pistol belt cuts into their gut. You do not want it up near your belly button or hanging off your arse. You also need to make sure it isn't too tight or loose. You want it some what loose as to not cut circulation off and to be comfortable. The best way to do this is to put on your whole uniform (pants, belt, undershirt, blouse, and armor if you have it). When it is snug on you add two to four inches to give it some play and for comfortably, but not enough to creep up you when you run or crawl. Drop Leg platforms also help to keep the belt down. Its a balancing system, get used to it. The front straps should be connected to the small arms pouch. The Y straps should not be perpendicular (90 degree angle) with your shoulders but canted out away from your head. Once that is done, pull the back strap snug, but not tight as to lift the belt up. Repeat with the front straps making sure the belt stays level. Depending on what you do (like a scout or gunner), you need to carefully select and plan on what pouches you are going to need. The best way to do this is to work from the back forwards. The biggest one that most people ask about is the butt pack. For all intensive purposes, the butt pack was designed for grunts for short foot patrols, designed enough to carry 3 days worth of supplies on training missions mostly. Even that was pushing the whole system a bit too far. If you try to use a butt pack with a full frame pack like the ALICE medium pack or the MOLLE II frame, its gonna suck. The butt pack, maybe in combination with a small assault pack, would be the best for most airsofters, but not foot mobile grunts on long patrols. So if you are going to use a full frame ruck sack, drop the butt pack. Now I know most airsofters never carry canteens, so if you don't like canteens ignore this part.
Canteens are best placed shifted back about two to four inches behind your hips. The best way to explain this to place your hands straight down your side, and slide your hands along your hips toward your behind. That is where canteens should go, so you can rest your hands straight down. More power to yah what you place in the free space. Ammunition pouches should never be mounted straight in front of you next to your buckle. Why? Because when you go to the prone, your gonna crush your magazines and your silhouette is going to be much larger, not to mention, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. If you are using LC-1 Small Arms pouches, cut the grenade loops off and move the pouches adjacent to what you mounted in your free space. Before the Army and Marines had MOLLE, ALICE was queen. ALICE is not perfect, but you learn to play to her strengths and adjust for her weaknesses. MOLLE is not perfect either. Second, somewhere on ALICE gear, there should be a US stamped on it. Thirdly, it will have a tag attached or printed on it stating the item name, NSN Number, cage or stock number, and a manufacturer in the US. About 50 ALICE gear is made by the blind. For example my pistol belt is made by Mississippi Industries for the blind. Who knew. All genuine ALICE gear is made in the US. What can I do? The pain problem comes from the extra webbing and the metal bar that holds it to the main webbing. I would suggest getting an LC-2A belt which is current issue. It addresses many of these issues. What other types are there? Next came the LC-2 with something called the Kovach Klip also known as the duck bill clip. These were grey in color and ugly, but were more reliable. These appeared in the early 80's and were used well until the early 2000's in Reserve and Guard units. After that came the LC-2 with a black side release buckle which came in the late 80's.
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Finally came the LC-2A (sometimes known as the LC-3) belt in the early to mid 90's which featured the black side release buckle and easier adjustments to the belt length. Can't blame them, MOLLE works good, but I like my ALICE. MOLLE war belts or Modular Pistol belts are common. Condor makes one, Tactical Tailor, Blackhawk!, and the list goes on. Though, if you want to use ALICE pouches on your MOLLE, use MALICE clips. You can also fit MOLLE pouches onto the pistol belt. You will see some companies (such as Tactical Tailor) who have funny PALS grid on the back.The British had something called the PLCE, the Dutch used a modified PLCE, Germans had something similar, and the list goes on. Some of these pouches are similar and cross compatible. You see them in pouches to allow sand, dirt, and water through. On the belt, they are used very differently. The top row is were you attach suspenders from. The bottom is to allow reverse capability with LCE and MLCE equipment as they use wire type connections which feed through those holes. If you find a belt with three rows of grommets, it is not an ALICE belt, but rather a LCE or MLCE belt. Are these historically correct? The US military did create an H harness but it was for the earlier M-1956 and constructed out of canvas. The H harness is better than the Y as it distributes weight. The X is also another option. You will also see low profile harnesses that are designed to run under body armor. And I have only used it once before I traded for the ALICE LBE set up. By the way, LBV is load bearing vest and LBE is load bearing equipment. If you see an E before, it is enhanced, like M is for Modern. What can I do? It is designed to carry the minimalist of supplies (being food, water, ammo, first aid, and wet weather gear). If you don't like the fact that you can carry your GPS, iPhone, laptop, weather guage into the fight, this isn't the rig for you. You can remedy the lack of space by using the LBV or buying a simple chest rig.
What can I do to easily adjust the belt? Then clip the damn thing around one of your suspender straps so it is easy to access and you don't lose it. What are they and were can I find them? They can be found HERE for pretty cheap. They are very secure and work on the basis of friction between the webbing. Also depends on what unit you were in and how nice your squad and platoon Sgts were. Are you pulling this from out your arse? The rest can be found on the internet. You then run the webbing under neath the other webbing back through it. Click the picture for a larger image. I used mostly MALICE clips to attach the MOLLE pouches. True though about all the mods. I have my M56 rig (namsofting, same rules apply to ALICE) taped up with OD duct tape to be quiet and comfy. I like keeping the ALICE clips on though because it holds them tight to the belt and are reusable, and they just don't bother me that much. I also put tape around the buckles on the belt. Also remember guys to position heavy stuff symmetrical to counter balance each other and to keep the suspender strap on the side that you shoulder your weapon clear of compass pouches, strobes, or anything like that. I'll know what to do if the stupid ALICE clips go down.Paste as plain text instead Display as a link instead Clear editor Upload or insert images from URL.Help us spread the word, ASF is BACK. Since this is aALICE is a Vietnam era system.With this page I'm trying to collect just the official governmentNow the weightIn this arrangement the shoulderThese systems were supplied with care. The same thing is happeningMOLLE is missBecause of commercial marketingHowever, please note thatSo far as I know, the only “LCE” based gear still used areThe reason thatAnd I still have anMy belt (seeThe Large Combat Pack requires use of the frame.
Each pack features a large internal pack sack and radioConventionalFabrics areConventional lashing or gear attachmentMust be used in conjunction with anSize: 22'' x 20''So you need to install the ALICE clip along the length of the beltWhen opened, like in the photo at the left, there is some spring. The shoulder straps on the Field Pack art too bit to allow ALICEI've seen large rubber bands used orOnce the belt wasA metal buckle can slide along theHook attached to Buckle. 8465-01-019-9102 It holds toWaist. Strap. BackIn use the strap is snapped over the catch. When the strap is unsnapped and pulled up, the catch releases,Fully extend bladderIf bladder collapses,Insert correct numberKeep lining material dryKeep bladder and cover awayLower. Back. Carrier,Left photo taken indoors using flash, Right photo taken outside in shade. Left photo taken indoors using flash, Right photo taken outside in shade. The main compartment has a divider that appears to be designed toIf the packThe main compartment is not too large once a radio isWith a PRC-25 or PRC-77 When the Field Pack is hooked over the Pack Frame a Cargo Shelf inThis moves the radio upBut is not compatibleBy using the ALICE Pack and Frame the PRC-25,PS Magazine forThe shoulder straps need to be installed so that they are notSide. Release. Equipment. BeltClose up of 2 cargo shelvesFirst. Aid. CaseI used one strap wound around the top pack frame bar and then aroundThis holds the topA second strap wrapped aroundIf you have a good way to strap the PRC-25 or PRC-77 to the PackIt is also forThe PLGR carry bag has ALICE clips. One size fits all. PS Magazine Brigade Quartermasters - AliceMOLLE compatible. BlackHawk. Discover everything Scribd has to offer, including books and audiobooks from major publishers. Start Free Trial Cancel anytime. Report this Document Download Now save Save TM 10-8465-236-10 TECHNICAL MANUAL OPERATOR’S MAN.
For Later 100 (1) 100 found this document useful (1 vote) 216 views 136 pages TM 10-8465-236-10 TECHNICAL MANUAL OPERATOR’S MANUAL FOR MODULAR LIGHTWEIGHT LOAD-CARRYING EQUIPMENT (MOLLE) II Uploaded by MQ3502 Description: Full description save Save TM 10-8465-236-10 TECHNICAL MANUAL OPERATOR’S MAN. For Later 100 100 found this document useful, Mark this document as useful 0 0 found this document not useful, Mark this document as not useful Embed Share Print Download Now Jump to Page You are on page 1 of 136 Search inside document Browse Books Site Directory Site Language: English Change Language English Change Language. It replaced all prior systems for both the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, including the M1956 Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment and the M1967 Individual Load-Carrying Equipment. All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE) is described in a 1976 Training Circular (TC 10-19), a document that was carried over to the 1977 version of FM 21-15, Care and Use of Individual Clothing and Equipment. Visit the Olive-Drab.com World War II Timeline for day-by-day events 1939-1945. See also WW2 Books. It is anchored by the Individual Equipment Belt, successor to the Utility Belt of the two World Wars. The Individual Equipment Belt Suspenders attach to the belt with snap hooks and shift the load to the shoulders. The suspenders allow many other attachment points for additional gear. The keepers replaced the old-style M1910 wire hooks for all attachments. The Individual Equipment Belt had two rows of grommetted holes: the bottom row that could accept the old hooks so all equipment did not have to be replaced at once and the top row for attaching the suspenders.The Combat Pack comes in two sizes to be used depending on the length of the mission and weather conditions.
The components of the Existence Load are numbered in the diagram as follows: The pack frame can be used with or without the support shelf -- bulky loads such as ammo boxes, water or gas jerry can, radio equipment, or rations should be supported by the shelf and strapped down. The shoulder straps can be attached on either side of the body with the quick release located for easiest use by the soldier. The Medium Pack has a pouch with a drawcord closure and three outside pockets. It has a 50 pound capacity. The pouch flap has a map pocket. The pack may be carried with or without the pack frame by attaching the shoulder straps as desired. Tie-down cords and D-rings inside the pouch can be used to shorten the pack if only partially filled. Equipment hangers for canteens, bayonet, intrenching tool or other equipment are provided on the sides of the pack and above the pockets. Early issue ALICE packs included waterproof liner bags for the main compartment and the three outside pockets, but that was later discontinued. Drainage eyelets are provided in the main pouch and pockets. Bedrolls can be strapped to the top or bottom of the pack, using loops provided, or can be stuffed inside if there is room. The Large Pack is used for long missions or in the Arctic where more clothing and shelter must be carried. It has a 70 pound capacity. In addition to the features of the Medium Pack, there is another row of three small pockets on the outside above the regular pockets. The large pack is always carried on the pack frame. White, olive green, and camouflage pattern covers are available for different field conditions. ALICE packs and related accessories are available from militaria dealers or sources like eBay, as well as from other vendors of military items. Amazon.com lists several versions of the ALICE pack. Use this Google web search form to get an up to date report of what's out there. For good results, try entering this: alice pack. Then click the Search button.
This page last modified 12 October 2011. Please turn on the Javascript on your browser to see the more than one thousand Olive-Drab.com pages, covering an expanding variety of military topics. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. ( Learn how and when to remove these template messages ) Please help by spinning off or relocating any relevant information, and removing excessive detail that may be against Wikipedia's inclusion policy. ( September 2014 ) ( Learn how and when to remove this template message ) Please improve this by adding secondary or tertiary sources. ( September 2014 ) ( Learn how and when to remove this template message ) Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding inline citations. Statements consisting only of original research should be removed. ( September 2014 ) ( Learn how and when to remove this template message ) Although since superseded by MOLLE, ALICE gear is still in some limited use in the U.S. Army in National Guard and training units, as well as by Navy and Air Force ground units.The medium size individual equipment belt (NSN 8465-00-001-6488) is for soldiers with waists measuring under 30 inches (76 cm) and size large (NSN 8465-00-001-6487) is for those with waists measuring 30 inches (76 cm) or over. The bottom row of eyelets on the belt provide for mounting of accoutrements that have an M-1910 double hook. The eyelets along the top of the individual equipment belt are for attaching the individual equipment belt suspenders.It attaches to the individual equipment belt by means of two slide keepers. The intrenching tool carrier is designed to accommodate the lightweight collapsible Intrenching Tool, Hand (NSN 5120-00-878-5932). It has a metal snap-type fastener closure and is attached to the individual equipment belt or individual equipment belt suspenders by a single slide keeper.
The field first aid dressing case is designed to accommodate either the Dressing, First Aid, Field (NSN 6510-00-159-4883) or the Compass, Magnetic, Unmounted (NSN 6605-00-151-5337). It is constructed of nylon duck and webbing with polyester sheet stiffeners in the front, rear and lid of the small arms ammunition case. The lid is closed by means of a plastic latch. Grenade carrying pockets are located on each side of the small arms ammunition case which are secured by means of a nylon web strap and metal snap fastener. A tab with a metal eyelet is located at the top back of the small arms ammunition case to which the individual equipment belt suspenders are attached. The small arms ammunition case is attached to the equipment belt with slide keepers. The two-flap closure is secured by means of metal snap fasteners. There is a small pocket on the front of the cover for carrying water purification tablets. The lid of this small pocket is secured by means of hook and pile fastener tape. The canteen cover is attached to the equipment belt with slide keepers. The water canteen cover is designed to accommodate the Canteen, Water (NSN 8465-00-889-3477). In 1975, the LC-1 designation for the water canteen cover was changed to LC-2 due to some minor design changes. The National Stock Number remains the same. The shoulder straps are padded with spacer cloth. Each shoulder strap has a web loop and a non-slip buckle on each of the straps in the front and one at the back through which the adjusting straps pass. There are rectangular metal rings located between the web loops and the buckles on the front of the straps. The 1-inch (2.5 cm) wide adjusting straps have snap hooks at one end. The back adjusting strap has an inverted V of which each end has a snap hook. Each of the adjusting straps has a loop around it made of 1-inch (2.5 cm) elastic material.
In 1991, the individual equipment belt suspenders are redesignated LC-2 with no major modifications; minor modifications include the use of steel (instead of brass) for the four snap hooks and the two rectangular rings.It can be used with or without the LC-1 Field Pack Frame. The main compartment closes by means of a drawstring secured by a plastic cord clamp. A radio pocket is located against the back on the inside. The size of the pack may be decreased for smaller loads by means of three para-cord ties, stitched to the inside bottom of the pack, and three metal D-rings located directly below the internal radio pocket. Three pockets on the outside, with strap and buckle adjustable closures and with snap fasteners for quick access, are provided for miscellaneous items. The top flap has a pocket with a hook and pile fastener tape sealed closure. Equipment hangers are located above each outside pocket and on each side. Drainage eyelets are provided in the bottom of the main compartment and the outside pockets. An envelope pocket is located at the top, back of the pack and padded with spacer cloth, into which the field pack frame is inserted when the field pack is used on the field pack frame. Buckles and straps at each side near the bottom are used for anchoring the field pack to the field pack frame. Two rectangular wire loops located at the top back of the field pack and D rings on each side at the bottom of the field pack are used to provide shoulder strap attachment when the field pack is carried without the field pack frame. A waterproof bag is supplied for the main compartment and each of the three outside pockets for keeping equipment dry. The large field pack MUST be used with the LC-1 Field Pack Frame. The frame, when requisitioned, comes with all straps. The frame is of aluminum construction. The shelf is of aluminum construction.
The most important point in the fighting and existence loads concept is that an infantry rifleman should carry only the items necessary to complete the immediate mission at hand. The load an infantry rifleman carries should not include any other item that can be carried another way. Because the type of mission, terrain, and environmental conditions will influence the clothing and individual equipment requirements, the unit commander may prescribe to the infantry rifleman the essential items. The prime purpose of the fighting and existence loads concept is to lighten an infantry rifleman's load.Normally these items are carried on the individual equipment belt and individual equipment belt suspenders.When possible, the individual existence load items are transported by means other than man-carry. Otherwise both the fighting and existence loads are carried by the infantry rifleman. Individual existence load items are usually carried in the field pack.The goal of the individual equipment portion of the LINCLOE program was to develop a lightweight load-carrying system in an effort to lighten a combat soldier's overall load.As a result of this interest, the army produced a set of LCE in 1962, substituting available nylon materials for the cotton canvas duck. This set of nylon load-carrying equipment weighed slightly more than 3 pounds (1.4 kg) as opposed to 5 pounds (2.3 kg) for the cotton canvas duck items. These two items, the lightweight rucksack and the set of nylon LCE, formed the basis for that portion of the LINCLOE Quantitative Material Requirement dealing with load-carrying equipment. Annex A to the Quantitative Material Requirement set a goal of 3.3 pounds (1.5 kg) for the individual load-carrying equipment and 3 pounds (1.4 kg) for the rucksack.
Officials decided that the design of the new load-carrying equipment would follow that of the standard load-carrying equipment with material changes from cotton canvas duck to nylon duck and replacement of the brass and steel hardware with aluminum or plastic items. A field pack somewhat larger than the M-1961 cotton canvas duck field pack was proposed which could be attached for carrying either on the individual equipment belt at the small of the back, or on the shoulders attached to the individual equipment belt suspenders, or attached to a detachable field pack frame. The field pack frame with shoulder straps and a removable cargo shelf would be designed to be worn over the individual equipment belt and suspenders. The end result of this meeting was the adoption of the nylon M-1967 Modernized Load-Carrying Equipment (MLCE). The field pack design was rejected in the end and a nylon version of the M-1961 field pack was produced instead along with the nylon Tropical Rucksack (FSN 8465-935-6673).The MLCE was envisioned for use strictly in tropical environments and the development of a standard load-carrying equipment system to replace all load-carrying equipment systems continued.A prototype system was designed utilizing some of the existing MLCE components such as the water canteen cover, small arms ammunition cases, and field first aid dressing case. The individual equipment belt buckle was replaced with a plastic version of the Davis quick-release buckle and a new Vest, Combat was developed to replace the individual equipment belt suspenders. Teams developed both a small and large field pack utilizing the detachable field pack frame concept scrapped in 1967. Some of the test items differed significantly from those presented at the 1968 meeting.As testing of the LINCLOE LCE continued a number of failures began to occur mostly to do with closure devices; plastic snap fasteners were still being utilized like those initially utilized on MLCE items.
By December 1969, all testing stopped for re-evaluation of the components of the new load-carrying system.They discussed each item evaluated, and agreed as to the acceptable changes to each load-carrying equipment item. They also agreed that the test of the first-generation LINCLOE LCE should be stopped and new items be designed to reflect the characteristics developed as a result of the evaluations by the NCO Board and Infantry Team.The Vest, Combat was eliminated from the program due to being over-complicated and prone to failure. Also with metal snap closures (instead of plastic). Also internal divider flaps to keep cartridge magazines separated and different method of attaching hand grenades to the sides. Also without pile lining and openings at the bottom to allow for drainage. On 29 July 1970, representatives from the United States Army Combat Developments Command and the LINCLOE LCE Project Officer met at Natick Laboratories and drafted a revision of the LINCLOE LCE Quantitative Material Requirement as it pertained to load-carrying equipment including the characteristics for each individual item. This was based primarily on the outcome of the 17 March 1970 meeting with one major exception. The LINCLOE LCE Project Officer added a third field pack to the system. This was the medium field pack with a bag made from the nylon tropical rucksack, modified to meet the NCO Board requirements for a small field pack by adapting it to be worn on the back with or without a field pack frame.The group approved Quantitative Material Requirement for the new second-generation LINCLOE LCE with minor changes.In December 1970, the United States Army Support Center, Virginia fabricated an additional 300 sets of the second-generation LINCLOE LCE and sent them to Natick Laboratories for assembly and shipment to test sites.Pre-test inspections uncovered a number of deficiencies with the field packs which were returned to Natick Laboratories for modification.