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Both the slide and barrel are stainless steel, and the checkered polymer frame has two interchangeable backstraps with lanyard eyelets. A MIL-STD-1913 mounting rail on the underside accepts tactical lights and lasers. All Rights Reserved. By continuing to use our site, you accept our use of these tracking mechanisms, including cookies. I Accept. Rifles AK-47 AR-15 Battle Rifles Bolt-Action Lever-action Misc.We stopped in at the FNH booth this morning, first thing, and got the run down on what’s going on. When you make as many guns as FN, it is hard to narrow down your choices. We’ve been covering them pretty thoroughly lately, so we’re ahead of the curve on this one. The centerpiece of SHOT 2015. The FNS Compact. I’d suspected that the addition of the Compact FNS meant good things ahead for the FN pistol line. With the Compact, Long Slide, and the regular FNS, they’re positioned well for the upcoming Modular Handgun Trials. And this may be only one of the pistols they put up for the Army’s new sidearm competition. What to look for in the future from the FNS line. Possibly a Sub-Compact, and more calibers. We’ve got more video from the show today, and I’ve included my review of the FNS-9 Compact below. The FNS line would be a logical entrant into the Army’s new pistol trials. Some of the new FNS Compacts have external safeties. The guns are decked out nicely, and are solid starting points for the AR platform. And for those who want longer versions of the classics, FNH does that, too. Hell, it is the very basis of our free-market economy. We Americans tend to shy away from monopolies, mostly. But the last 25 years, at least, have seen one pistol dominate the compact 9mm market. There are new guns in the works form a lot of manufacturers, though, that are slowly eating into GLOCK’s market share. And now FN is poised to take a big bite out of the Austrian behemoth. The FNS-9C (compact) is a rocking gun with a lot of features. The polymer frame is heavily textured.

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There subtle lines, knurls, and sharp diamonds. The whole pistol is aggressive in its feel. Even the slide has serrations on the front and rear, which makes it that much easier to clear any potential malfunctions. The ambidextrous controls are all easily accessible. It is very easy to use and not at all easy to accidentally press. The slide drop is small, but it works, too. There is no external safety to fuss with-at least not on this model. If you want to fuss with external safeties, you can. The grip has more body to it than some compact 9s. It is easy to hold, even for people with large hands. The backstraps are interchangeable, and they have a slight tail on them to help with mag drops. Push the button and the mag drops free (thanks in part to the mirror finish on those dudes). If your hands are big, the mags may hit the heel of your hand when you drop them. I was shooting the 9C with a couple of guys with hands like Virginia hams. At first, they couldn’t get the mags to drop free. After three or four attempts, though, they’d both picked up the subtle rotation needed to free up all the paths. The 9C does ship with 3 mags. Two hold 12 rounds, and one holds 17 (and has a grip extension, too). That’s a generous thing FN has done. With 12 in the gun, and 29 to spare, you aren’t likely to run dry when it actually counts. Even large handed shooters fin the 9C easy to control. Another thing that is good about the design is the wide floor plates of the magazines. These protrusions help you manipulate the magazines. Pulling them is easy, getting them to the gun, and into the mag well is easy enough. And there’s a wide platform for you to hammer home. Watch out for that last one, though, as you can pinch a thin roll of skin between the end of the mag well and the floorplate. Still, the magazines are nice, and the extra protrusion allows for a fourth finger on the grip. The extended mag gives more capacity and allows for even more real estate.

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Concealing the 9C It is a compact, so concealment shouldn’t be an issue for most adults. The double-stack magazine means the gun is wider than some of its competition, but it also holds more. And I’ve always contended that only the thinnest, smallest shooters really benefit from the fraction of an inch that a single stack magazine shaves off of the width of a double-stack. The 9C is a great contender for in waist band (IWB) carry. And for those of you who carry out of the waist band (OWB), a decent coat should cover the gun easily. The barrel has been shortened and the grip has, too. The muzzle rise is typical for guns of this size and very easy to control. Shooting We had no difficulties shooting the 9C. We had no jams or malfunctions. The sights sit up a bit higher than they do on some compact 9’s, so there’s a bit more to see. That makes target acquisition fast. We had good results with the 9C. We banged steel, shot plate racks, punched some cardboard for accuracy, and even stretched it out to 100 yards. At the end of the review, no one had any complaints about how the FNS was shooting. There was a slight hitch that we still haven’t completely defined. During some staged trigger pulls, when we were holding out for very accurate shots, the trigger would hold just a bit before it broke. I’d describe it as grit, only it wasn’t there on every trigger pull. Maybe one out of every five. Once we’d discovered it, we dry fired over and over. The shot has already connected with the center plate, which has just started to fall. The recoil is easily controlled. And the plate falls. The gun is now on its way back down. There is more muzzle flip than you would find on a full sized FNS-9, but it would be hard to measure just how much more. The FNS-9C is capable of delivering well placed shots. From 7 yards, I was pulling left. The grit in the trigger was the only noticeable flaw. Putting the 9C Back Together Fair-warning.

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After we’d reviewed the 9C, I field stripped it on a pickup’s tailgate. It came apart easily enough. We checked the internals, and took some photos, and then I tried to put it back together. When I pulled the slide back onto the frame, I jacked it up good. The guide rod poked out the end of the slide in a way that made me think I’d put it in backwards. As soon as this happened, the whole thing locked up. I couldn’t get it to move forward or backward. I handed it off to someone who is smarter than me, and he couldn’t figure it out. But he managed to loosen it a bit. He didn’t want to break anything, so he gave it back to me. With just a little bit of careful maneuvering, everything lined up and the gun snapped back into alignment. Problem miraculously solved. The lesson here is this: make sure you line everything up right and take your time. I’d even suggest reading the manual. It isn’t hard to do right, but it wasn’t hard to screw up either. In the End? The 9C is great. It shoots exceptionally well. The capacity and controls and concealability all place it high in this class. The price gives it a bit of an edge. If I could make any immediate changes to the gun, it would be the addition of a rear sight that has more of a shelf on its leading edge. This may be riding higher in my mind right now, as I’m typing this review one handed. Not that it has anything to do with the 9C, but I think I’ve broken a bone in my wrist. My right thumb doesn’t work. I’d have an easier time racking the slide on the 9C if I could catch that sight on something. As is, I’ll have to carry something else. But I will carry this gun. It has almost everything you could ask for. There’s nothing that I’d like to take away. Black on white and drift adjustable. The front sight is large enough to see. The detail in the milling is excellent.A good gauge of service life is how the steel frame and barrel connect to the polymer frame. Look at those stress points. The FNS seems robust.

Another look at the ambidextrous controls. The double-spring set up keeps everything contained. A basic field strip will let you clean most of the working parts, and at least inspect the rest. We handed the gun off to a number of shooters, and all did well with the 9C on their first attempts. Though compact, the FNS-9C doesn’t even really seem all that small. The sights in action. You can see how large the front sight is. Not much room in the trigger guard, but enough to get in a gloved finger. The trigger breaks at six pounds. This is where the pic of the mag will go, as soon as I get it. I just realized as I was posting that I’m missing that detail.I’d take it anyday over a piece-of-glock. If you truly believe this, you dont get around much. I just returned from a professional pistol training course. The instructor, a natioanal known pistol champion, shooting his personal carry Glock, had three stoppages that I witnessed, two of them double feeds. For as little as he shot during the couple days thats an impressive failure rate. He was shooting reloads, but they were factory reloads. Last year at our local club match we had a Glock shooter, on the line in mid match, rack his Glock and the entire slide flew off the gun and into the dirt. Turns out a small spring had broken. That is as catastrophic a failure as I have witnessed in 50 years of shooting. That Glocks are reliable is true, that they never fail is a fallacy. There are no infallible mechanical devices. Sometimes, as Clint Smith says “one is none”, even when its a Glock. However, a combination of a serious health issue and this report have me re-thinking the whole 9mm vs..45 acp controversy. This looks like an excellent handgun. I would also like to compliment the author for the great field test. Steve. It is a pre-set striker fired semi-automatic pistol, meaning the trigger system is of the hammerless short double-action-only type.The compact version comes with two short magazines.

The compact versions can also use full size magazines with the addition of a removable grip sleeve.It was released for public sale in 2017. It is fully ambidextrous and comes in two versions, one version having manual safety and another without it.The Salina Police Department uses the FNS-40, while Osawatomie Police Department uses the FNS-40LS. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. The site may not work properly if you don't update your browser. If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit old reddit. Press J to jump to the feed.Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Seriously under rated pistol. I'm not a big striker fired pistol fan but this is one of my favorites. Absolutely amazing gun - biggest downside is the aftermarket support if you're into that. Very underrated gun. Main thing that sucks about them is there aren't a ton of aftermarket accessories for them. That said, I'd much prefer a stock FNS-9 compared to a Stock Glock. That said again. I'm the resident FN fanboy and I currently carry a Glock 19 at the gunshop I work at. But for the money, this is probably one of, if not THE best semi auto 9mm you can get at this price. I wish they kept compatibility with the 509. Some might quibble, but to me strikers are more or less the same. Source: not a high speed, low drag operator. I carry a Glock 19 at work, but I prefer the stock triggers on the FNS series compared to stock on Glocks. But WAY more aftermarket support for Glock than the FNs. That price seems too good. All rights reserved Back to top. It’s the black-Gen-5 version of the Glock 19X. Basically, it’s a G19 slide with a G17 frame. Well, in actuality this same gun has been available since 2012. It’s called the FNS-9. As I alluded to earlier, it is quite close in size to a Glock 19, but with that 17-round magazine the grip is a bit longer, closer to that of a G17.

The other differences are that, out of the box, the FNS-9 has far-superior features and ergonomics to the Glock. I find it strange that this pistol is not more popular and more talked about. From the SCAR to the SAW to a host of other models, FN has been a military arms staple. The FNS-9 is right in the sweet spot for duty carry, but I’ve not heard of any police forces that use this model. Again, strange. I recently got the chance to shoot this pistol over a few days and here are my first impressions. It is almost just right for concealed carry, but that 17-round capacity makes the grip a tad too long for my taste and for easy concealment. You might consider it because you like that configuration (medium slide, full grip) and you detest the uncomfortable grip of the Glock. Because, yes, the FNS-9 is far more comfortable in the hand. But then again, what pistol isn’t more comfortable than a Glock? In short, there are a number of good reasons to consider the FNS-9. Have a look at its specifications: I ran a few hundred rounds of ball and defensive ammo through it without a hiccup. And this was on a pistol that already had a couple thousand rounds through it since it was last cleaned. The controls all seem to be in the right place and were entirely unobtrusive; even the manual safety control (which I didn’t use) never got in the way. What I did NOT like, however, was the awful trigger. The trigger is gritty and long, with a bit of a long reset for my taste. The trigger’s safety mechanism splits the upper portion from the lower portion of the trigger shoe with a hinge. The hinge must be depressed for the trigger to actuate. Were I to own an FNS-9 I’d have to spend some time smoothing out that trigger action. It felt natural to shoot it for good hits. Unlike many non-Glock striker-fired pistols, the bore axis on the FNS-9 is really quite low. Correspondingly, the recoil impulse and muzzle flip are insignificant.

All in all it was a comfortable, easy, and effective pistol to shoot. I like this one. You can choose your backstrap, small or large, according to your taste. It’s plenty comfortable to shoot, too and the recoil is no better or worse than any quality 4”-barreled gun. I had no controllability issues and found it easy to both maintain a good grip and get sights back on target immediately. If you’re like me, you’ll find it useful to use the takedown lever as a support-hand thumb rest, useful in controlling muzzle flip. I know folks who EDC with a Glock 17 so it’s possible, but I wouldn’t want to do it.Even the superfluous safety control is unobtrusive and never got in my way. Unlike many similar models, features like the slide stop lever and takedown lever are fairly unobtrusive, too. Lots to like there. The pistol has dual-sided slide-stop levers and dual-sided magazine release controls, which will be a boon to lefties and those who shoot with either hand. Same with the manual safety control, if you opt to get a model with that feature (just don’t). The FNS-9 comes with two interchangeable backstraps and three steel magazines. Gotta love a company that puts more than two mags in the box. The steel magazines are nice and so much better than polymer mags. They’re plenty grippy. The polymer frame has a MIL-spec 1913 accessory rail up front and is otherwise nicely minimal, with something of a beavertail on the back. The grip texture is about is good as it gets on a stock pistol. The bottom of the grip includes a lanyard hole (as do all MIL pistols). It’s got this weird hinge that spits the trigger shoe in the middle, separating the top from the bottom. As I mentioned before, I’m not a fan of the trigger’s action or travel. Out of the box, the iron sights, minimal controls, and metal magazines put it miles ahead of any Glock. It’s comfortable to hold and shoot and it’s plenty accurate.

Because it’s so close in size to the G19 I’m going to ding it also for the long grip (should have kept it to 15 rounds!!!). But that’s about it; there’s not a lot to dislike about this fine pistol. It’s easy to shoot well. I doubt you can outshoot the gun. Beyond that, there’s not much one might want to do for this gun. It’s that solid. Yes, the trigger is crap, but I’ve seen how one can improve that with rudimentary armoring skills. The long grip presents a bit of a hurdle for concealment in an EDC role, but everyday carry is about solving such issues. I’ll bet you can if you try. It is the “comfortable Glock” and I think it deserves more consideration in gun culture. I hope you’ll give it a try. I bet you’ll love it. It can’t be worse the a Taurus! I love them both, and the 9 is my EDC with an Alien Gear IWB holster. Very comfortable. Really hoping they’ll make a ShapeShift 4.0 for the FN. I also have a Glock 17 RTF2 and a 17 Gen 5. Plus a couple 1911s in 45acp. I like them all but my favorite is the FNS9. Best ergonomics in any semi-auto pistol I’ve shot, including the 1911. I’m not a great pistol shot so am very happy if I can keep 15 meter 5 shot groups within 4 inches, standing two hand weaver hold, which all my FNS and the other pistols can do pretty much consistently. For some unexplainable reason, my FNS pistols give me the biggest smile every time. I carry Underwood ultra penetration in 147 grain. Fits in my big out bags nicely. Hope to God I never need it. But you try carrying a 45 for a month, with even less ammo, also can spray rounds, just like Mel Gibson in the move Leathal Weapon. After a month of starving, people will be so weak the caliber wouldn’t matter. Is there a difference in the cost did I get a upgrade or down ? I don’t have the 9c, but still wanted an IWB option for the full size FNS 9. Looks good on paper and has some positive reviews out there. Outside the waistband options are numerous, so take your pick with that.

The aim dots are real good.Not sure the person writing this actually had any experience with it, because most of the complaints aren’t accurate. If they think it’s “boring” then maybe handguns are the wrong hobby. Well, at least I fancy myself one. Truth be told, I haven’t shot enough of them to have the depth of experience to really qualify as a polymer pistol “guy.” But I’m working on it. And when Nick threw me the keys to his FNS 9 for an unspecified amount of time, it seemed like a good time to put another check on the list. Who knew that I’d find a new favorite polymer gun in the process?... Me, I like to take the pilot’s approach: checklists. So let me outline some of the more important qualities I look for in a gun, and tell you how the FNS-9 fared in those categories. I cleaned it at 2500. I do know that.” Leave it up to Leghorn to torture test a gun. To be clear, little maintenance, some oil, thousands of rounds and Nick reports that in that time, the only failure he reported was a hesitation in returning to battery when the gun was absolutely filthy. So long as it was clean, he says, it ran like a Swiss clock. Or a Belgian clock for that matter. Not that I don’t trust him, but a year of drinking the blue and white Kool-Aid can do strange things to people. But in my further several hundred rounds of testing I also experienced zero failures of any kind. Check and check. Once I got used to the trigger, and really focused on my technique, I was able to produce some pretty great five-shot groups. In my opinion, it seems like the FNS-9 is capable of some great feats of accuracy. In fact, it’s better than I can get out of my other handguns. From the ground up, the FNS-9 seems better suited to me and my shooting style and lets me get the most accuracy I can out of the gun. But while I’m pretty accurate with it, Leghorn’s endless days of practice seem to have paid off.

In fact, Nick reported witnessing a friendly shooting competition between Larry Houck and Tommy Thacker where they went head to head on a steel silhouette target at 100 yards with an FNS-9, rarely dropping a shot. And even after thousands of rounds down the pipe and being neglected in the bottom of a range bag all year, Nick’s FNS-9 still is as accurate as the day it arrived. I found them to be very crisp, easy to use and their nighttime visibility is typical Trijicon. They’re bright without being blinding and easy to pick up in low-light and darkness. In the orange targets above, I lined up the horizontal plane of the top orange box with the top line of the sights to hit the bullseye. Nick confirms that he spent the entire competition season lining up the top of the rear sight with the middle of the front sight dot to address this problem. I can take it or leave it, but I’d prefer to have the lip there in case I ever have to move my slide using my belt, shoe, or a countertop. One very nice thing about that rear sight is the V-shaped notch. In my opinion, the V helps center the front sight perfectly because you can compare the amount of light coming through the V. This goes largely unnoticed when shooting quickly, but if the need for a great deal of accuracy is required, the V helps makes sure the front and rear are perfectly centered. Great work, Trijicon. I prefer it small and inconsequential so it doesn’t get in the way. This one obliges. Speaking of triggers, this is one of my favorites. In my overview video, I show the travel profile and find the break to come (crisply) at 5.25 lbs. There’s a decent amount of take-up which is common among striker-fired pistols. You hit a wall with just a smidge of creep, and then it breaks with very little overtravel. This makes “riding the reset” very easy and almost impossible to short stroke. Obviously, this gun has thousands of rounds through it, and the trigger has settled in.

Michael Stephenson’s review of the FNS-40 Long Slide indicated that his trigger was gritty and heavy out of the box. Mine has a little more mileage on it.This helps with the overall control on the FNS-9 and makes holding on quite easy, and slide manipulation a breeze. If you don’t, don’t. If you do, go big. When I think of manual safeties, I think of one of those big-ass flippers on a 1911. Fine motor skills are notorious for being nonexistent in a stressful situation, and the FNS safety requires some detail work to manipulate. I also realize that this pistol was initially marketed to law enforcement and they usually require a manual safety. Still, if you have it, make it big. Those three brands all use some variation of a pin to hold the backstraps in place. The FNS-9 fits my hand well and the controls are in easy-to-reach places. I’m impressed with the layout and attention to detail. It seems that serious thought went into every component, and the end result is a great shooting machine. Part of that is that the 19 is the gold standard when it comes to EDC guns. As a writer for the most popular gun blog in the world, I need to be able to compare pistols I’m reviewing to a gun that most people have handled. Having not done a lot of GLOCK 19 shooting, the followiing impressions are based on a lot of dry fire and manipulation in my house with the shades drawn. First, the GLOCK is a piggy little bastard. Try as I might, I can’t seem to feel like I have a firm grip on it. All of that is due to my small(ish) hands. I wear medium gloves and run all my pistols and AR 15 grips in the smallest setting. If you have big hands, congrats, the world is your oyster. But if you have small hands like me, or 90 of the women out there a GLOCK is not always your friend. The FNS feels different. It seems so much thinner and easier to get a grip on. I think those sights and FN’s build quality contribute to the much better accuracy I am able to achieve with the FNS.

That may not sound like a lot, but nobody ever left a gunfight wishing they brought less ammo. Assuming that each bad guy in a theoretical scenario takes three shots to go down, the FNS lets you hit six before you run out versus five plus one extra bullet. Or something like that. Anyhoo, more is better. And yes, that’s about the most subjective argument I can make. The Gen 4 GLOCK has some aggressive texturing on the the trigger shoe that seems to rough up my delicate digits. The FNS doesn’t. And I like the tactile feel of the FNS better. You may disagree with me when it comes to stock GLOCK triggers, and I fully admit that I’m not the authority on what makes the perfect striker-fired trigger. I can only tell you that I prefer the FNS. I don’t love the manual safety, but I understand why it’s there. The trigger has a secondary safety so you can choose to carry with the manual safety off if you’d like or buy the version without the safety altogether. Specifications: FNS-9 with Night Sights Pull the slide back, rotate the takedown lever, let the slide forward. Disassembly complete. Further teardown of the slide can be accomplished with a small pick if you’re feeling very serious about cleanliness. But as Leghorn proved, obsessive cleanliness isn’t necessary for reliability. Mostly because I watched Nick outshoot me with it. Ragged five-shot groups at seven yards are well within the capabilities of the FNS-9. However, there certainly aren’t as many holsters out there as for a GLOCK or 1911, but they can be found. It has a Picatinny rail for your lights, lasers, knives, etc. It also has a stellar trigger and (this model) comes with Trijicon sights so you won’t need to replace those. It isn’t the end of the world, but cost of ownership is a little higher. I’m no fan of manual safeties, and this one hasn’t converted me. If you’re going to have a safety, make it big and easy to flip on and off.

Otherwise, I’m pleased with the thought that went into the design including the trigger, which I consider to be one of the best stock triggers I’ve tested. It’s no pocket rocket, but with a good holster you could wear this as your EDC gun. It’s friendlier to the smaller-handed folk out there so women and small-handed guys should take a close look. It doesn’t hit exactly where it’s aimed at combat distances, and the manual safety isn’t large enough in my opinion to turn off under stress or with blood, gore, or lube on your fingers. Those are incredibly small nits that I’m picking, but five stars is perfection and those two things keep it from being there. Fix the safety and adjust the sights ever so slightly and this is a perfect gun. I have never been able to warm up to FN pistols, and I’m not sure why as I have only ever heard glowing reviews of them. Every time I handle one, it just doesn’t do it for me.I believe they also made a few improvements. I never shot a FNX, but two of my friends carried FNPs and they are sweet shooters. Along with a service grade semi auto rifle.Besides, I got my SKS when they were dirt cheap. Try to find a standard 10 round mag anywhere? Not easy. Not legal either, where I live. In my view the original designer got it right and knew what he was doing. They are phenomenal pistols. I picked up an FNS-9 Longslide without the manual safety in December for 3 gun. I adore the damned thing. I also realize that this pistol was initially marketed to law enforcement and they usually require a manual safety. Does this mean cheap used glocks soon? The optional thumb safety is not marketed towards LE but rather those who want it. There is no accounting for stupidity amongst police “management”.) The manual safety isn’t for dummies thats for sure. Tell that to a SWAT, HRT, SEAL, Delta operator when he is making an entry where long guns are used in tremendous haste. By your name, I would surmise you probably know this.

A beat cop can (at leat it theory) go from providing directions to a lost Swedsh tourist to grappling with a thug on the sidewalk in zero seconds flat. If he has to get an M-4, there will likely be time to take it off safe (or load it) since he actually has to get it, whereas the pistol is always on him. And you don’t carry an M-4 in a holster. I cannot equate Delta’s or NSW’s needs with those of a beat cop in the US or Europe. Nonetheless, it is worth noting that much of Delta moved to Glocks, 17’s plus some 21’s and 30’s, a few years back, for maintenance-cost reasons. Undoubtedly they have lots of other items in the shed. I suppose the admiral choosing NSW’s pistols prefers they have a mechanical safety. SAD PMOs and contractors have been caught several times in recent years after being in shootouts. In Pakistan, for example, Raymond Allen Davis (see Wikipedia), former SF and a CIA contractor at the time, was carrying a Glock 17. It doesn’t get much more personal than the choice of a concealed sidearm when operating alone, I suppose. I think they especially have value for guns carried as offensive weapons, for example suppressed pistols in small-unit-tactics military hands: The gun will be up early and the tension will be high. The mechanical safety will often function in fact as a supplement to or replacement for trigger discipline. The pistol, for those people, is either substituting for a broken carbine or is about to take someone out by stealth. They won’t be on a city street suddenly attacked by a meth monster or two at a range of one yard. And so it is with a pistol safety. A properly designed pistol safety and proper training, will defeat the lowest common denominator argument. If one can be trained to operate an 870 safety that is not intuitive in the least, one can be trained to operate a 1911 style thumb safety on a pistol. I refuse to be dumbed down. Safeties are more of a necessity with long guns.

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